March 13, 2007
Where Have All the Prophets Gone?
Restoring the prophetic ministry of the local church.
While studying for my ordination a few years ago I was required to read Oswald Sanders' classic book, Spiritual Leadership. I've forgotten most of his practical advice about leading a church, but one short section has stayed with me. Sanders talks about the choice pastors face between being a popular leader or an unpopular prophet.
The logic seems rooted in the Old Testament differentiation of these roles. The kings of Israel served as leaders over God's people. They used their power to pull wires and drive the nation forward. The prophets, on the other hand, served as correctors. They came down from the hills to tell everyone what they were doing wrong. And after being rejected, stoned, and thoroughly despised they returned to the hills. Quoting A.C. Dixon, Sanders says, "If [the pastor] seeks to be a prophet and a leader, he is apt to make a failure of both."
Prior to reading Sanders I had already been wondering why few pastors led with any prophetic energy. Scanning my favorite books on my shelf, typically ones with a provocative challenge for the church, I realized that virtually all of them were written by professors. Few, if any, were composed by pastors. Where were the voices of correction in the local church? Where were the sermons calling God's people in a new direction? Where was there a pulpit challenging our popular assumptions about church, mission, and discipleship? Reading Sanders helped me see that we've driven the prophets out of the local church and into academia.
A recent post by David Fitch cited a new leadership model gaining popularity among missional churches. Referred to as APEPT by Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch in their book, The Shaping of Things to Come, it is pulled from Ephesians 4:11. Paul says God has given the church apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. Frost and Hirsch, among other advocates of the model, say the contemporary church has focused its leadership almost exclusively on pastors and teachers while ignoring the contribution of evangelists, prophets, and apostles.
With structures intolerant of these other leadership functions the evangelists abandon local church ministry for para-church groups, apostles are driven to missions agencies, and prophets take their provocative ideas to academia. But, say Frost and Hirsch, "only when all five are operating in unity and harmony can we see effective missional engagement begin to occur."
So, why has the local church been so unwelcoming to prophets, and how do we get them back? I'd like to suggest a few ideas. This is certainly not an exhaustive list, but just a start.
1. Seminaries are not training prophets
My seminary education (and I assume my experience was not too different than most church leaders') primarily equipped me to teach the Bible. Professors taught me Greek and Hebrew, historical theology, hermeneutics - everything was designed to help me exegete the text, but no one equipped me to exegete the culture. Correction - one professor did, but his course was an elective not seen as essential for pastors. With seminaries churning out teachers we shouldn't be surprised that few prophetic voices are heard in the local church setting.
A first step toward reintroducing prophets is for seminary programs to value this calling. Since I left seminary I believe more schools are doing this. Tracks are now available in some progressive schools that focus on cultural engagement and discerning social phenomena. We need more pastors who can engage ministry ideas and not simply discern if they work, but if they are right.
2. Church structures are unsafe for prophets
A prophet by definition is going to disturb the status quo, make people uncomfortable, and rock the boat. But when a pastor with a prophetic function is completely dependant upon the congregation for his/her livelihood it creates a conflict of interests. Hirsch and Frost state the problem well:
Centralized funding makes the minister or leader economically subservient to the dominant interests of the group. It's very hard to have a prophetic ministry to the group that provides your salary. And this incapacity to cultivate an authentic prophetic ministry contributes directly to the institutionalization of ministry and the church. Leadership is thus always hostage to the reactionary groups in the congregation. Change becomes inordinately hard.
One way to overcome this problem is to decentralize funding for church leaders. David Fitch wrote about the value of bi-vocational pastors, and Hirsch and Frost recommend more leaders consider raising their support from outside their congregation the way missionaries do. Certainly, these ideas raise other challenges but they might allow a prophetic voice to once again be heard within the local church.
3. Ministries evaluate size not depth
Dallas Willard refers to them as the ABCs of ministry: Attendance, Buildings, and Cash. These are what we measure to determine if our ministry is effective and successful. The ability to increase these quantifiable elements is not the strength of a prophet. In fact, an unrestrained prophet is a sure to diminish attendance, buildings, and cash. For example, Greg Boyd, senior pastor of Woodland Hills Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, preached a prophetic series on the dangers of confusing the kingdom of God with partisan politics. As a result 20% of his congregation (about one thousand people) left the church.
If we only see success in ministry as numerical growth we'll never tolerate the ministry of prophets. Their role is not to add people to the church; that function belongs to the evangelist. Prophets bring depth and discernment to the community, they correct our course when we get off track, and they warn us when pragmatism begins to overshadow faithfulness.
Ultimately, if we have any hope of restoring a prophetic ministry to the local church we need to abandon our either-or thinking. We mustn't require pastors to be either leaders or prophets. We cannot value either expansion or depth. And we must not see the role of pastors as being either to comfort the flock or correct it. Both are necessary for meaningful and balanced ministry.
Posted by Skye Jethani on March 13, 2007

Comments
Timely post Skye!
You named one of the current prophets in the church, Greg Boyd. Another comes to mind in Rob Bell.
I disagree with you that seminaries are not forming a prophetic voice in their ministers. Often seminarians like myself here the cries of Stanley Hauweras, Rodney Clapp, St. Augustine, Walter Wink and especially Lesslie Newbigin. Yet we are sent into churches that are saturated with the Purpose Driven Life. We have as Hauerwas lost our theological imagination.
I feel it in my bones and see glimpses regularly that the Spirit of God is moving and many prophets are active. They are just on the fringes...as another top theologian/ethicist said...you can only take getting the heck beat out of you for so long.
Thanks for writing a prophetic article. After all the prophetic gifting is being able to discern God's voice from the future breaking into the present.
Posted by: sam at March 13, 2007
You mention that Seminaries are training teachers. Frankly, I think that they are even failing at that. A true teacher not only understands the language of the text and its historical understanding, but also how to appropriate it in the current culture. If the teacher cannot exegete the culture, then he cannot appropriate the text in a meaningful way to the current culture. So, even though many seminaries think they are succeeding in churning out teachers who can exegete the text what we are now seeing is teachers who are out of touch with their audience. In other words, our teachers only have about half the story. They know the word in the past tense but don't know how to bring it into the present tense. That is a bad teacher.
Posted by: Jonathan Erdman at March 13, 2007
I have been wondering at some of the same kinds of questions of late. I think some of it has to do with the role of prophet and our desire to be "liked" in our society today. I think there is the additional ability of the church and society at large to put the prophet "out" and marginalize in some real ways.
I hope that we begin to look at training pastors in identifying their gifts and the gifts present in the church, all of the spiritual gifts, so that the church may grow. May we seek not to marginalize those that make us uncomfortable, gifts and people alike.
Peace,
DC
Posted by: David at March 13, 2007
The greatest failure of the Church is found in the idea that we can "train" or "make" an apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher or evangelist. True, those with such God-given calling can acquire useful knowledge, improve their communication, administrative and people skills. But, until we get back to recognizing those in our midst who possess these gifts, our seminaries and the leaders they produce will never be able to live up to our expectations.
As for directly answering the question, "Where are the Prophets? I think they've been here all along. I meet prophets almost every day--false prophets and occasionally a prophet of God (not much different than ever--look at poor Elijah--850 to 1 odds).
God always has His prophets in place to be sure. But in my 52 years on this old stone, I have seen very few times when he or she was acknowledged by a church; especially the leadership. Yeah, once they're dead, then they get recognized. Once they can no longer threaten the kingdoms of religious men, then men are more comfortable with telling everyone that a prophet had been in their midst. But even then, they continue to prophesy from their graves and most leaders are reluctant to do more than pay them lip service.
More than likely there are prophets in your church nearly every week. He might be a homeless guy, a drunk, someone with a gambling addiction. One thing I've found about prophets is that they are human; they struggle with the rejection they receive from the church and it tends to make them introverted and sometimes subservient to some worldly vice. Perhaps that's why we don't recognize them when they are here, but the better reason is because they convict us; they can see right through to the depths of our souls. We don't want to believe that God would speak through such "lowlife"; especially when what they have to say makes us so uncomfortable, or exposes our own hypocrisy.
One thing I've noticed is that their lives prophesy to us even if they say nothing. I've had my own soul exposed more than once by a prophet of God. As painful as it was at the time, it brought my pride to the service where I could deal with it, and I am grateful for that. I thank God for the prophets. I just wish sometimes that more of God's people would have the eyes to see and the ears to hear their message.
Posted by: J.W. at March 13, 2007
"Ultimately, if we have any hope of restoring a prophetic ministry to the local church we need to abandon our either-or thinking."
No, no, no!
"We" shouldn't restore prophetic ministry at the local church!
It's already there, it exists whether the local Church acknowledges it or not...it is already there!
The problem is "listening"!
Listening to the people who are exhibiting the gift that G-d is using through them. Amazing how much "listening" differs from "restoring." Both require effort, but that is where the two separate. Listening requires an open heart that seeks G-d's will and not their own, while the other requires everone to conform to a set standard prescribed by the elders of the church using their interpretation of scripture as the measure.
Sorry, I've seen how "prophets" have been treated, and more often the case is the person who is the prophet is completely unaware of their gift. But yet they feel compelled to speak, to call out, and either they are told, "Ah, yes, very nice to see you get involved, very good. Now run along while we, those who know what they are doing, carry on the business of the Church." Or, "You know, you've always been a bit of a...um...discontented parishner...perhaps...you might want to look for a, um, church...that..is more suited to your needs."
If we want to "restore" something in the church may I be so bold as to offer up this suggestion, "discernment" which comes from "wisdom" which comes from seeking G-d's heart and desires.
Posted by: Sheerahkahn at March 13, 2007
This article is so spot on. I won't go on about it, but it really spoke to me about my church and my role in it.
Posted by: Dan at March 13, 2007
A timely post, and... (or maybe, but)...
I think J.W. above is mostly on point - the question isn't whether we need to train prophets, but rather whether we will recognize the gift when it is expressed. I'd venture speculation that when it is, too often it is ignored and hated in the same way as the Old Testament record.
Our experience ought to be better than that, and the example starts with those who lead us now. A church structure will be safe for the exercise of the prophetic function when its leaders (often the recipients of the message) demonstrate an open and humble posture how they receive a prophetic message. In a society that values individual expression and consumer-driven mentality, it can be hard to distinguish between selfish immaturity expressed as criticism and Godly correction offered under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Too often, I've seen leadership demonstrate arrogance, an attitude of infallibility when confronted, and a response that demonizes the person with a point of criticism or correction - regardless of how that point is expressed. The attitude of "our way or the highway" seems all too prevalent in many evangelical churches today.
I'd also note with sorry that as an increasing number do not view the education you had as required (or even necessary) preparation for pastoral ministry, an unfortunate trend today seems to be that seminaries aren't training pastors as much anymore.
Posted by: Wes at March 13, 2007
Rob Bell is someone who comes to mind when thinking of prophetic pastors.
Actually, its kind of funny, the two groups of people who strike me as most important right now for revitalizing the church are the emerging types and their counterparts in the Reformed stream. They're the only interesting ones to listen to or read outside of theology professors. Interestingly enough they seem to be quite at odds with each other, but they're the only ones alive enough to be saying anything important.
Posted by: Derek at March 13, 2007
Skye - this is a really insightful post. Prophets are chosen and shaped by God not seminaries. I truly believe the answer to your question of 'Where have all the prophets gone?' is 'They are outside the traditional church walls.' Just as prophets were neither welcome or accepted during the Old Testament era by those who controlled the temple or temple worship, I don't believe they would be accepted in the church as we know it today. What God has to say thru them would not be accolades but criticism (see epistles/Revelation) and would not be well received. In fact, that message is not being well received today and the prophets are being rejected. Unfortunately the greatest recognition and acceptance for a prophet comes after the prophesies have been fulfilled and typically the prophet has died. So know the prophets do exist - we just might know it this side of heaven.
Posted by: Bernie Webb at March 13, 2007
What I've seen is that the issue is more #2 and #3 than #1.
The bulk of the people in the Church haven't gone to seminary. Nor will they ever. That doesn't mean God hasn't called them to be prophets; it only means that God hasn't necessarily called them to be pastors. Consequently the prophets get ignored because people are looking for education, degrees, titles, and clergy-status. More of God's prophets come from places like Nazareth, Tishbe, or Tekoa than from Jerusalem.
The solution, however, is not to seek out your church's prophets and put them in positions of leadership. Most of them are unsuited for leadership. They're too focused on delivering their messages to shepherd properly. They drive people out of their churches. (Then they quit and move into academia, and thus we have #1.)
Joseph aside, you don't put prophets in charge. Messengers aren't leaders; they're followers. Therefore they make great prophets, but lousy pastors. The pastor is to temper the enthusiasm of the prophet, without denying or frustrating it. He is to provide a safe haven for people to prophesy in, and to receive prophecy in. If both aren't provided, people either don't grow or they leave.
Posted by: K.W. Leslie at March 14, 2007
Nice article.
I love this "Church structures are unsafe for prophets" how true.
In today's world, academia is the hills, I guess when the prophets of today are "stoned" they take refuge in our present day hills - academia.
When they shake up the status quo, by either writing or by other media, we "stone" them with our modern day "stones" - blog comments, reviews, publication critiques, you tube videos.
The concept hasn't changed, just the method.
Excellent article!
Posted by: Conrad at March 14, 2007
I think this is a powerful and timely post, as well. I remember being required to read "The Prophetic Imagination" by Walter Brueggemann and just being blown away by it. Still resonates today. There are prophets all around us: Jim Wallis, Tony Campolo, Shane Claiborne, Rob Bell, Stanley Hauerwas, N.T. Wright, Ron Sider et al.
The issue may be that we have a definition of prophet that has more to do with something mysterious and supernatural than with the simple act of "speaking against/into." Isn't that the real heart of the exilic/post-exilic prophets of the OT?
peace
Posted by: subversion inc. at March 14, 2007
JW and Sherahkhan have captured the heart of it - the Bible's portrayal of a prophet is an office and a spiritual gift.
Many evangelicals tend to substitute "good bible teacher", or "forth-teller" (as in "That person is bringing forth the riches of God's Word") for the word prophet.
Posted by: Michelle Van Loon at March 14, 2007
I would suggest that some of the centuries greatest prophets have been pastors. D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones called for a return to biblical preaching; John Piper has issued a revolutionary call to engage the lost world for Christ; Rick Warren had led on numerous fronts, including engaging the AIDS crisis. Erwin McManus and Tim Keller have led the way in engaging the culture with the Gospel; Mark Dever has issued the call for authentic ecclesiology. All pastors. Even Brian MacLaren, whom I seldom agree with, wrote as a pastor. All of these men were pastors!
Professors, on the other hand, often are thrilled by the "novel." The nature of their work lends itself to continual critique of others--that's how they make a name for themselves and sell books! This is good, of course, in its place. The problem is that many professors do so because orthodoxy bores them and because they are generally out of touch with people and more in love with pragmatic ideals than they are the plain outworking of the Gospel. I say this as one is both a pastor and professor.
The 2/3 world has often critiqued Western Christinity correctly, in my opinion, by saying it is too guided by the academic theology, and not enough by the church. The academy is not nearly as conducive an environment for the growth of Christianity as is the church. Jesus did not die for syllogisms; he died for normal people.
Perhaps the reason you might consider only professors to be prophets is because you yourself are more attracted to philosophcal ideas than the outworking of the Gospel in the lives of God's people? Of course, I can't know that... and offer it only as a humble suggestion... but I'll take a John Piper over a Stanley Hauerwas or a Rick Warren over a Philip Yancey any day!
Posted by: J. D. Greear at March 14, 2007
You know you are a prophet when:
1. Most people want to argue with you about what you say but you are the first one they ask for an opinion.
2. Pastors will email you asking you to review a book they've read but won't ask you to join their small group.
3. The same Pastors will invite you to dinner but not to their sermon.
4. Prayer warriors keep telling you that you need to be trained up for evangelism and that there are no "lone ranger" christians.
5. The only one that truly "gets you" is your wife and Jesus.
Posted by: Sam Clark at March 14, 2007
I posted the above comment late last night, and on re-reading it this morning realize that I implied two things I did not mean:
1. Skye, I do not know your heart and have no reason to assume that what you are desiring is a return to the plain outworking of the Gospel.
2. I have greatly benefited from the work of Philip Yancey and have read almost everything he has written. I did not mean to pit his work as if it was out of touch with the church.
Forgive the overstatements!
Posted by: J.D. Greear at March 15, 2007
A very timely article that the church needs today. Prophets are an essential part of the church.
The one point I would challenge in this article is the integration of some sort of prophetic class into seminaries. Prophets can be nurtured and we can learn about prophets, but ultimately God must raise up those with this gift. To really speak for God is a lofty calling, but it's something that cannot be "taught" in the classroom.
Posted by: Ed C at March 15, 2007
Not wanting to be a troller or to start a flame war, but I have an honest question/comment. Having been in many denominations, I have yet to get a concensus of what a "prophet" is today and some Christians think they don't exist today. My biggest hang-up with this whole blog and the comments is that noone is really defining what a prophet is.
So: "What is a prophet from a biblical standpoint?" and "Can that definition be true for today"
Blessings,
Posted by: Truth Seeker at March 15, 2007
Just to be a bit nasty... Reading the blogs above, I think a prophet is someone who is saying something I think someone else needs to hear. ;-)
Posted by: Paul Goddard at March 15, 2007
Truth Seeker,
Never be afraid to ask a good question. What a prophet is varies by definition, but you get a good Idea by reading Isaiah, and I would say some of the minor prohets such as Habakuk and Micah. One who listens to God and gives his message...at all costs. That is my nutshell definition. Sometimes the message is for the church, other times it is for the culture.
Some denominations do not recognize the role of prohet because they believe since the lectio of the bible has been given that all we need is within it. Usually these are more conservative denominations. Most of the time I think it is like what has been already said, they are among us, but they are not recognized because by definition the do not "fit the church mold" and are sometimes on the outside looking in.
Posted by: Carl Holmes at March 15, 2007
Well written article. I can relate on many fronts. Having been the catalyst that began an extremely controversial men's group that is loved & hated but seldom seen as a haven for the lukewarm - I most certainly can relate to the comment about "Knowing you're a prophet when...". You know, a second - more important study might be done asking about where the APOSTLES are...
-Main MOD, g0ys.org (spelled w. a zero)
Posted by: g0ys.org at March 15, 2007
Some churches may be not open to the prophetic
ministry, but God is also hiding many prophets until their time of release. Rejection is part of the training in the School of the Holy Spirit.
Posted by: Greg Cline at March 16, 2007
Thank you for opening this discussion. My heart aches and resonates with so much said by many of the comments. I have one additional perspective: Could another reason for the invisibility of the prophetic ministry in the local church be that many pastors and key lay leaders are so protective of their flock, that they are afraid to invite prophets to speak to their people for fear the congregation will resonate more with the prophetic message, than with the pastors? Maybe it's just in my church group, but I don't see pastors sharing pulpits as much anymore. Maybe all of us pastors need to humble ourselves enough to let the prophets speak.
Posted by: John Crump at March 16, 2007
This is a beautiful discussion! I am among the younger generation of believers and a lot of the issues mentioned above is what people my age (20's) are concerned with. We are a generation that believes that church has been so imposed with man's agenda that we don't know where God begins, and we end. We are so concerned with church etiquette and manners that we have supressed the true presence of God which often "disturbs" what we know as "church." I believe the prophets will come forth when the church begins to empbrace God's spontaneity! People my age long for the "God Chasers" like experience! This is where there is total chaos in the natural, and complete unity in the spirit realm!
I believe God is raising a generation who isn't concerned about what they look like, but are bold enough to say what God has commanded them to say! We aren't a crazy generation for nothing, and we are often overlooked. I'm excited about the future of the church, and it's only a matter of time before God shakes up things as we know it in the church! I'm getting excited just thinking about it, I can't wait for His Glory to reign!
Posted by: Mercedes Fields at March 16, 2007
The prophetic ministry is sorely lacking in most local church contexts. Then again, prophets from God are like an unexpected and unwanted wind, blowing people off the course called Comfortable...one of the problems i've seen up in my own charismatic-Baptist (AKA Bapticostal) circles is that the very idea of what a prophet is has been warped by TBN nonsense and bad theology rooted in questionable experiences (like barking to God...WTHeck!)...so they can't see how a greg boyd or a.w. tozer would ever be looked upon as a prophet
Posted by: reGeN at March 16, 2007
Frankly, I do not have a clear understanding of the Scriptural role of prophets and evangelists in today's church. I admit that I have shied away from them, because of the "clean up" I have had to do after they left. Abuses in both offices -- messages delivered in anger, financial pilphering, a lack of sensitivity to the church's current needs, manipulation in the name of words of knowledge and/or words of wisdom, an emphasis of the manifestations of the Spirit over the fruit of the Spirit -- have caused confusion and strife. I have seen a lot of arrogance and anger come forth in the Name of Jesus, and these things cause me to become weary. I don't care if one is an evangelist, pastor, apostle, teacher, or prophet, he still has a responsibility to "speak the truth in love." I'm saddened.
Posted by: Roger Loomis at March 16, 2007
Where were the sermons calling God’s people in a new direction?
Where were the sermon's warning people about the error filled new directions?
Posted by: Henry (Rick) Frueh at March 18, 2007
The NT model of prophecy comes from 1 Corinthians 14:3-4: But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
In this context the prophet is speaking to the church -- not to the largely pagan world, and therefore not with the same degree of vitriol that one finds throughout the OT prophets. Supposedly we're doing that "speaking truth in love" thing that we never seem to get right. I would even argue that the OT prophets, in speaking in that way, were doing it wrong. Yes, their words were inspired by God; but their tone and their emphases were inappropriate, and sometimes part of the reason why the pagans were unrepentant. God's kindness leads us to repent.
Posted by: K.W. Leslie at March 19, 2007
It is encouraging (in a strange way) to read the concern and frustration of others regarding this issue. After several years break from the pastorate, I am sensing a strong call to return to pastoral ministry. However, as I explore the possibilities, the general theme I see in local evangelical churches is what might be called "Just Be Nice Theology." The pastor is to smile, take care of the people, nod and agree, and don't challenge or upset anyone. I fear that many local churches have become clubs, overrun with power-hugging leaders who create an atmosphere where Christians simply see each other, enjoy each other, sing a few songs. The prophetic gift and role (in which I have been affirmed) is seen by many in leadership as harsh, unloving, and critical. The irony is that I see many "normal people" (not in leadership or in the "in group") who long for a strong teacher/prophet who doesn't compromise the truth. I sense the rejection...it is incredibly painful and leads me to weep. Oh God, please revive us!
Posted by: Chris at March 21, 2007
I have been wondering if there is someone who sees what I have been seeing here in the churches of Africa, specifically Rwanda.Thank God you are there! I completely agree that the ABC's- Attendance, Building and CASH, you mentioned are some of the factors that choke the prophetic voice in our churches.
Another factor is that some pastors are not confident enough to rebuke sin because they have "planks" in their own eyes.
We have to understand that a church that rejects God's prophets will be a declining church,will drift toward worldliness and will be in danger of compromising the biblical truth.
God bless
Posted by: Daniel Ryumugabe at March 22, 2007
I'm afraid I totally disagree with you premise here. I think your idea of what a prophet would look like is false. A prophet would NOT be rejected by the church. He would be rejected only by unbelievers and the unfaithful - the same people that rejected the OT prophets. The people that rejected the prophets were same ones that rejected Jesus. Therefore those who have not rejected Jesus (the true church) will not reject his prophets.
Posted by: J.J. at March 22, 2007
In 2 Thessalonians 2: 10-12 we learn that people perish when they refuse to love the truth...
God's kindness is in sending the prophets to sound the warning and to give the truth found in scripture so that people wake up, open their eyes, hear with their ears, and receive in their hearts.
God is not interested in popularity for his servants, He is interested in holy lives dedicated to His glory declaring the Word of the LORD. All for God's Glory--His glory, not ours. Sometimes the truth is very painful. However, it is necessary because it brings self evaluation, repentance, healing and renewal.
To live in truth and to stand firm in it and to proclaim it requires doing whatever God ordains; sometimes this means that a message will not be kind in the human sense of things. God's ways are not our ways.
God's kindness is in sending the prophets to keep us in line with His will and to sound the alarm that correction is necessary. Why? For His Glory. We are to reflect God's glory; if we are not in agreement with His truth, as is revealed in Scripture, we can not reflect His glory. So he calls forth His prophets, to help His chosen people live according to His precepts.
Isaiah 42: 6-8 "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, (this applies to all of us who have been grafted into the tree) to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. See the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you."
Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and beleive me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
God's kindness is in sending the prophets. Let us pray that God sends us strong prophets. "Kindness" from the pulpits is killing our souls. There are too many adult age Christians that are babies in their faith. Too many pew sitters with surface faith or no faith at all! Too many Christians that look and act just like the rest of the unsaved world! Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge."
Luke 18:8b "When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?"
Our country is in great peril; we need a revival! May God bless us with His kindness and send forth His prophets!
Posted by: J.B. Hinton at March 22, 2007
Very good insights into the prophet dilemna in the church. There are prophets in many stages of developement in the earth today. Some are stuck in a stage and will never advance.
First is the young passionate prophet excited about God and His truth who is about to get a wake up call and find out "church" systems don't want to hear what he or she has to say. Fervant and fearless, they are harshly rebuked for speaking truth that seems to undermine the very pinnings of the religious system they are a part of. This stage never lasts.
The next is the "sold out" prophet who has learned to work the "system" for personal gain. They have found it more expedient to "prophesy" favorable things to leaders and others who will further thier personal objectives.
The next is the "burned out" prophet who has been faithful to the truth given them, but has been rejected and become self absorbed and reluctant. Bitterness threatens to take them down and make them worse then the people who crushed and bruised them.
The "Burnished" prophets are the ones who have kept returning thier eyes on the Lord having fallen into all the above categories at one time or another. These have been rubbed, scrapped, shaken, sullied and wiped clean too many times to count. They shine a little bit, but are not pleasing to look at.
But these will rise in power in the days to come and nations and "churches" will shake at thier words.
In the midst of it all, thier only grace is simply the Lord alone being thier reward for maintaining truth.
In Him
Posted by: Kriston Couchey at March 23, 2007
Interesting discussion, one I happened to stumble upon after Googling “authentic prophetic preparation” several pages of results later.
It fascinates me that so many people have so many answers and responses to this article, and while many of them make good, solid points, the one that bears witness with my spirit is about the Holy Spirit preparing the prophet and directing the course of that person’s calling. As one response above points out, academia seems so often to take precedence over anything else in the over-politicized “church,” something in the Western world that resembles too closely the Western business world. Another response addressed the issue of listening to God’s voice and direction rather than the big cheeses “restoring” the “position” of prophet. Scriptural history shows the prophet to almost always be subjected to scrutiny of innumerable types, some even to a life-threatening degree, which seems to be a clever way that God keeps that prophet in check (the 2 Corinthians 12:9 principle). In contrast, the Old Testament lists many examples of times that Israel had popular false prophets, and the New Testament talks of teachers distributing ear-tickling material. Prophets ought to expect to really experience the turbulence of those around them. Was it not the religious leaders who crucified Jesus, and did they not get their Messiah in a form other than what was politically and socially expected (no rescuer from the Romans)? Many who wanted the Messiah on their terms, in their preferred fashion, missed Him completely! What is any different now? I have heard so many times that 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 is merely a sinner-vs.-saint issue, yet was the first Corinthians letter written to the Church (chapter 1, verse 2)?
Posted by: Matt Nelson at March 31, 2007
Skye,
I really enjoyed reading this article. I have served as a senior Pastor and youth Pastor of several churches. This inner struggle to be a popular pastor or an unpopular prophet has been a constant battle. In every case the power that the Holy Spirit showed through me in His message is the thing that attracted the congregation to me and, in the end, was what caused them to reject me.
the thing I would like to ask you is where can we (the prophets) go? The para-church organizations are wonderful and very valuable for the growth of The Kingdom, but it is not the organizations that God has a heart to speak to, it is the Organism. The Body is what Christ Paid for not denomination or ideology, so if the organism has put the prophet outside, how will the organism be edified. I know God will be heard no matter the cost, so my wish is only for God's people to hear. I am seeking the counsel of many witnesses.
God Bless
Posted by: Carl Cox at April 7, 2007
I have not read all of what has been said, but in what little I have read, it is what I have been facing all of my life. Sometimes I just want to hide and never be seen. I have had so many dreams come true and to the detail. The things God has put on my heart to pray for could only have come from God, and they too come to pass. Sometimes I think I have lost my mind. I wote a letter to my pastor explaining what has been going on for years, but he never called me to his office or on the phone to talk with me. I've learned to be silent and walk in the shadows of the Almight God. No matter what I've tried to do, it's like being in a constant pressure cooker. To see, to tell and watch man stay blinded by there own free will. Reaching for the numbers and the image, sacrafice the anointing for image and talent. I said that to the choir director then two weeks later we had a guest speaker; guess what he talked about! Needless to say, it's at a point that they don't want to hear because the things I have been telling them are upon us. When I walk up to say hi, you can see the dread in the eyes. I don't like for things to be this way - they are my friends, my brothers and sisters in Christ. When I know I will tell according to the will of God. Feel free to send wisdom!!!
Posted by: Mark Stephens Sr. at August 26, 2007
Good topic. Yes,is possible to be a good leader with a prophet ministry and also it is possible to be a (true)prophet with good leadership qualities.
You can be unpopular in certain circles but in others you will be popular and always in in God's kingdom. We still have Prophets today. Both prophets and leaders though born can sharpen their skills through training!
Posted by: wa-chirangi at September 26, 2007
To those who read this comment I am called to the office of a prophet and I'm a woman. I'm tired of those who feel threatened by the call on my life & other prophets out there. We are sent by God to deliver words that may or may not agree with the status quo.
But instead of thinking we're out to steal your congregation, or your spot in the church, be assured this is not the case. If we worked together with the right "attitude," the church would be moving in the right direction. I love people and desire to see them spend eternity in heaven, but they will not reach there without correction & guidance. Too many people are afraid to give a corrective word. Not me. If it spares a soul from spending eternity in hell so be it. I suffer from people thinking I'm odd, strange & a complete lunatic. (Whatever). I'm finally in a place where I've learned to live with that. It hurts, but that's the role I've been called to. So obviously God feels I'm the right person for the job. God has shown me this new level mature Christians are entering will be very difficult for the mature believers. As you will have to put away childish ideas, and become selfless. We are to develop a servants attitude that sits like mary at the Lord's feet without this we will never see or have what the Lord wants to give us.
Let us grow in the knowledge of Christ & do damage to satan's camp as that is our true enemy & not the prophets.
God bless you all!
Prophetess Cain
Posted by: Cristina Cain at November 20, 2007