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March 1, 2011
Ur Video: Who Gets Into Heaven?
What does "No one comes to the Father except through me" really mean?
We seem to be on a doctrine binge these days. First a run of discussions on the role of women in ministry, and now a conversation fueled by Rob Bell's new book about hell and universalism. Talking about damnation has certainly gotten folks stirred up. Some have been saying that by some standards, even C.S. Lewis could be branded a heretic because of his "locked from the inside" take on Hades. Does a view like Lewis', annihilationism, or an Eastern Orthodox take on hell automatically push someone outside of the evangelical fold? Is "heretic" a justifiable label for such teachers?
Just to keep the conversation going, here's an interesting video recently featured on The Huffington Post on how to refute popular Christian arguments based on John 14:6.
Comments
Is this really a conversation anymore?
People are jumping to all kinds of conclusions before the book is even out to be evaluated in an thoroughly informed way. One post about the ruckus is enough, Ur. Now you're just instigating more nonsense.
Let's all agree to table the "discussion" until Bell's book rolls out and HarperOne laughs all the way to the bank; not caring whether you buy it to praise it or burn it.
Posted By: Aaron | March 1, 2011 4:49 PM
A provocative video to be sure. Fortunately, the Scriptures contain more than one verse spoken by Jesus.
It would behoove both cartoon characters to read and discuss what else Jesus said about salvation, judgment, sheep, goats, fish, seeds, light, darkness, vipers, fire and yes, hell.
That might make for a better conversation.
Posted By: Dan Stringer | March 1, 2011 6:58 PM
Interestingly, to reference Lewis again, this is generally along the lines of how Lewis understands John 14:6, that Jesus is indeed the only way to God, and that other ways do not succeed in reaching God. However, Lewis goes out of his way to point out that this does not necessarily mean that only Christians will be able to reach God, only that anyone who does come to God will come through Christ.
Posted By: Tom F | March 1, 2011 9:52 PM
Interestingly, in light of the Lewis reference in the Url post, this video is basically how Lewis interprets the John passage. Again...considering how Lewis is lionized in evangelical culture, I think people need to be careful about speaking for what the "evangelical" take on these subjects is.
Posted By: Tom F | March 1, 2011 9:56 PM
This is not the first time I have seen videos by xtranormal, and to my mind they actually are a rhetorically damaging device to the people making the videos. It comes across as the most blatant propoganda, and is not even well-disguised. Surely the view must be put-forward better somewhere else?
Posted By: Karl Udy | March 1, 2011 11:48 PM
"Does a view like Lewis', annihilationism, or an Eastern Orthodox take on hell automatically push someone outside of the evangelical fold? Is "heretic" a justifiable label for such teachers?"
Lord, I sure hope not. If so, then what a small view we have of God and what a small box we have put Him and His ways in. Lord, have Mercy.
Posted By: dwh817 | March 2, 2011 3:20 AM
What did Jesus say about it?
The sheep are his, and the goats are not.
I pray that there aren't too many goats. I pray that I am not one.
Posted By: Steve Martin | March 2, 2011 4:04 PM
So 'Bart Simpson meets Hello Kitty' cartoons now pass for theological debate. Wow.
Posted By: elegance | March 2, 2011 6:13 PM
Both characters drew lines in the sand over their limited understanding of scripture. This type of behavior is really the basis for the 30,000+ denominations we have.
Having a closer look at the genetic makeup of the two - I'd have to say they were brother and sister - or at least close cousins - probably a by-product of a teddy bear mill. Teddy bear mills are just evil.
Posted By: Jerry | March 3, 2011 5:40 AM
Some versions say "through," some versions say "by." Those two words have different meanings/nuances. Can someone tell me which is the correct interpretation?
Posted By: muse | March 3, 2011 9:07 AM
Jesus also said that "wide was the way to destruction" and "narrow was the way to life", and in His own words, the way to life was narrow because of its difficulty. The Bible may not give a clear distinction on exactly what Hell is, but the scriptures, and the words of Jesus, are clear. Many will go to destruction.
Such a limited and agenda driven view is not surprising from the Huffington Post.
Peace.
Posted By: britt | March 3, 2011 9:20 AM
Wow... how sad... :(
Posted By: Rev | March 6, 2011 9:48 AM
What value does this add to the discussion? I agree with Britt when she says that it's not surprising that Huffington Post would publish this nonsense, but a CT publication?
Posted By: Wes | March 11, 2011 2:37 PM
aw, come on now, friends. Like any venue, HuffPo and CT publish all kinds of things. Some are great, some aren't. Let's not be haters! Like Mrs. Claus side to the Misers, "brothers should be friends!"
Posted By: Chris Cocca | March 22, 2011 1:33 AM
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